Newbie question.

[Fleurs]

Hello,

I wabnt to knit myself a sweater and it will be my first time to knit an adult one , i would like to try sorrel from Rowan's book.

My question there is any difference whwn in the pattern is written down:
"dec(inc) 1 st at end " or decrease(inc) at each end 1st" because i have:

-dec 1 st at end of 11th and 2 foll 4th rows
98 sts and i will end up with 92 sts.:

that means i have to dec 1 st at end of 11th ,15 and 19 rows but if i do that i will have 95 sts and not 92

-Beg with a k row,work in st st,dec 1 st at each end of 3rd and every foll 4th row row until 84sts:

that means:
Row 1=k
Row 2=p
row 3=k and dec 1 st at the end
row 4=p and dec 1st at the end
row 7and 8 the same like r ow 3 and 4
row 11 and 12

i dont know if i m right.Please can someone tells me if i m right.[/b]

[Ingrid]

dec 1 st at end of 11th and 2 foll 4th rows
98 sts and i will end up with 92 sts.:

that means i have to dec 1 st at end of 11th ,15 and 19 rows but if i do that i will have 95 sts and not 92

You need to decrease at EACH END of rows 11, 15 and 19--6 stitches total.



Beg with a k row,work in st st,dec 1 st at each end of 3rd and every foll 4th row row until 84sts:

decrease at the end of the third row, and after that at the end of every 4th row.

1-even
2-even
3 - dec
4 - even
5 - even
6 - even
7 - dec etc.

[Fleurs]

dec 1 st at end of 11th and 2 foll 4th rows
98 sts and i will end up with 92 sts.:

that means i have to dec 1 st at end of 11th ,15 and 19 rows but if i do that i will have 95 sts and not 92

You need to decrease at EACH END of rows 11, 15 and 19--6 stitches total.



if i understand i will decrease at the beg and the end of row 11, 15 and 19?

is there any differece when it written in the pattern dec at the end and decrecase at each end

Sorry english is not my native language.

[sfavereau]

is there any differece when it written in the pattern dec at the end and decrecase at each end

Sorry english is not my native language.

Yes, there is a difference. "Dec at end" means you only decrease at the end of the row. "Dec at each end" means that you decrease at the beginning and end of each row.

[Fleurs]

Thank you i think i got it now.

[Fleurs]

Hi ingrid , i m still alittle bit confused with what you explained to me:

dec 1 st at end of 11th and 2 foll 4th rows
98 sts and i will end up with 92 sts.:

that means i have to dec 1 st at end of 11th ,15 and 19 rows but if i do that i will have 95 sts and not 92

You need to decrease at EACH END of rows 11, 15 and 19--6 stitches total.

When you said at Each End , is it at the beg and the end of row 11, 15 and 19 or is not just decreasing at the beg of row 11-12: 15-16; 19-20 i am confused because it is no written at each end but a the end.



Beg with a k row,work in st st,dec 1 st at each end of 3rd and every foll 4th row row until 84sts:

decrease at the end of the third row, and after that at the end of every 4th row.

1-even
2-even
3 - dec
4 - even
5 - even
6 - even
7 - dec etc.

But in these case i will decrease at the beg and the end of row 3, 7 etc....

does it make sense?
Sorry for disturbing you with the same questions.
Thank you if someone else can answer me i will appreciate.

[Ingrid]

OK, I missed what you were asking. Let's see. I was assuming each end because that's how you'd end up with the right amount of stitches.

What part of the sweater are you doing where you have to 'decrease at end?' If it's a front of a cardigan, then you could very well have to only decrease at one end.

A back of a sweater would need decreases at both edges.

Beg with a k row,work in st st,dec 1 st at each end of 3rd and every foll 4th row row until 84sts:

For this instruction, you'd decrease at each end of the 3rd row, and then rows 7, 11, 15 etc.

[Fleurs]

Thank you Ingrid, i think i don t have any doubt.i ' m knitting the front of a sweater.

[Fleurs]

Hi it s me again but this time with another question, i m having some trouble to understand this part of the pattern:

Shape back neck
Next Row: k32 and turn, leaving rem sts on a holder.
Work each side of neck separtely.
Cast off 3 sts at beg of next and foll 3 alt rows ,ending with RS facing for next row. 20 sts.
Shape shoulder
Cats off 8 sts at beg of next row , then 3 sts at the beg of foll row.
Cast off rem 9 sts.
With Rs facing , rejoin yarn to rem sts , cast off centre 12 sts , K to end.Complete to match first side reversing shapings.


My questions are:
For the shape back neck and the shoulder when i will have to cast off , should i cast off like we generaly do i mean , cast off at the beg of one row and turn and cast off again at the beg of next row or i have just to cast off at the beg of one row and waiting for casting off the other alt row given in the pattern because i m working separately each side.

I don t know if it does make sens what i wrote if not i will try to explain clearly.

Thank you and Good night.

[Ingrid]

Shape back neck
Next Row: k32 and turn, leaving rem sts on a holder.
Work each side of neck separtely.
Cast off 3 sts at beg of next and foll 3 alt rows ,ending with RS facing for next row. 20 sts.
Shape shoulder
Cats off 8 sts at beg of next row , then 3 sts at the beg of foll row.
Cast off rem 9 sts.
With Rs facing , rejoin yarn to rem sts , cast off centre 12 sts , K to end.Complete to match first side reversing shapings.

You're working one shoulder at a time on this piece, so you'll do all your neck cast offs at the beginning of the row where the neck is.

The shoulder shaping will be cast off at the beginning of all the rows where the shoulder edge starts the row.

First you'll do the neck decreases, then the shoulder decreases.

[Fleurs]

Hi there ,
i m really stuck :shrug: :?? with the Shape back neck and Shape shoulder .
I took a picture so i can explain clearly what i don t understand, i found it weird how my shape back neck will look.

Shape back neck
Next Row: k32 and turn, leaving rem sts on a holder.
Work each side of neck separtely.
Cast off 3 sts at beg of next and foll 3 alt rows ,ending with RS facing for next row. 20 sts.


i have to knit 32 sts, turn and cast off 3 sts at the beg of row and after 3 alt rows that is the 4 th row from the 1st i will cast off again 3 sts at the beg, if yes it strange because look at the picture i m having different side of casting off.

http://pic30.picturetrail.com/VOL1505/7217708/13782567/205676215.jpg

[suzeeq]

I think you CO 3 at the same side.

This part is confusing.

Cast off 3 sts at beg of next and foll 3 alt rows

Alt rows means every other row. So you have your 3 CO sts at the beg of the neck edge. Then you finish the row, turn and purl back. CO at the beg of the next row (neck edge again), finish the row, turn and purl back. Do this a total of 4 times. That way you'll have the CO on the next row and every other row 3 times.

Hope that was clear, if not, I'm sure someone else can write it better. :)

sue

[Fleurs]

Thank you so much Sue for replying so quickly., you saved me :cheering: , now i have to finish and begin the front.I will post the picture when finish it.

[Ingrid]

Since you're doing the neck shaping, you can trust yourself that all the cast offs will be at the neck edge. I think Sue explained what you need, but I just wanted to say what pretty yarn that is. What is it? :teehee:

[Fleurs]

Since you're doing the neck shaping, you can trust yourself that all the cast offs will be at the neck edge. I think Sue explained what you need, but I just wanted to say what pretty yarn that is. What is it? :teehee:

Yes i think i understood what Sue wrote , and she did it very clearly.My yarn is Rowan Tapestry :)

[suzeeq]

Thank you so much Sue for replying so quickly., you saved me :cheering: , now i have to finish and begin the front.I will post the picture when finish it.

You're welcome. I was in a rush because we were leaving and wasn't sure if it was going to make sense. :D:

sue

[Fleurs]

Hello,
i finished the back :cheering: but iended up with many whole between stiches i casted off..
i have some questions maybe i will frog a bit and redo it:
when in my pattern it written :

Shape back neck

Next Row: k32 and turn, leaving rem sts on a holder.
Work each side of neck separtely.
Cast off 3 sts at beg of next and foll 3 alt rows ,ending with RS(purl) facing for next row. 20 sts.

what does mean end up with RS(purl) facing for next row:
does it mean that the next row i will begin to work on will be a purling row or knitting row? :??

cast off 3sts at beg of next row:
I am a bit confused with next row, i mean when i will knit the 32 sts , i turn.will be that row i will begin to cast off while turning or i will have to work that row again and the next row i will cast off,
i don't know if does make sense what i wrote.

[Ingrid]

Next Row: k32 and turn, leaving rem sts on a holder.
Work each side of neck separtely.
Cast off 3 sts at beg of next and foll 3 alt rows ,ending with RS(purl) facing for next row. 20 sts.

You're shaping the neck, so all the bind offs will be at the neck edge. So knit the 32 and turn, bind off 3 and work to the end, purl back. You'll do this 4 times total, with the last row you work being the final bind-off row.

The next row will start with the purl.

[Fleurs]

Thank you Ingrid i already understood how to do the shaping .I was asking waht does it mean when the pattern said :ending with RS facing for next row?
in my patterm it said RS:PURL

That means the row i will finish , i will purl and the next will be WS that means i will knit ,right?

[suzeeq]

Thank you Ingrid i already understood how to do the shaping .I was asking waht does it mean when the pattern said :ending with RS facing for next row?
in my patterm it said RS:PURL

That means the row i will finish , i will purl and the next will be WS that means i will knit ,right?

Yes, that's right.

sue

[Fleurs]

Thank you Ingrid i already understood how to do the shaping .I was asking waht does it mean when the pattern said :ending with RS facing for next row?
in my patterm it said RS:PURL

That means the row i will finish , i will purl and the next will be WS that means i will knit ,right?

Yes, that's right.

sue

Thank so much Sue, i found out i was doing that without knowing.IF is taht right why in my pattern is written

Shape armholes
.................Cont straight until armhole meas 17 cm, ending with RS facing for next row.

Shape back neck

Next Row(RS): k32 and turn, leaving rem sts on a holder.
Work each side of neck separtely......

Once i finished the shape armhole ,i will end up with a purl row, so to continue the shape back ??will i cut the yarn to begin working with that RS wchich i that same purl row i ended up.

i am a little confused :??

[suzeeq]

Thank so much Sue, i found out i was doing that without knowing.IF is taht right why in my pattern is written

Shape armholes
.................Cont straight until armhole meas 17 cm, ending with RS facing for next row.

Shape back neck

Next Row(RS): k32 and turn, leaving rem sts on a holder.
Work each side of neck separtely......

Once i finished the shape armhole ,i will end up with a purl row, so to continue the shape back ??will i cut the yarn to begin working with that RS wchich i that same purl row i ended up.

i am a little confused :??

So am I. I think you're asking if you cut the yarn once you finish on side of the shoulder in order to start the other side....? Yes to that.

sue

[Fleurs]

Sorry Sue to make you confused,

The pattern is written is this way :
Shape armholes
.................Cont straight until armhole meas 17 cm, ending with RS facing for next row.

Shape back neck

Next Row(RS): k32 and turn, leaving rem sts on a holder.
Work each side of neck separtely......


First i have to knit shape armholes and afuet the sahpe back neck i know how to do them , what make me confused is the RS, i don t understand once i finished with the shape armholes , ending with RS facing for next row, will i begin the shape back neck with the RS? :??

Thank you and good night.

[suzeeq]

I'm sorry Fleur, I'm a little lost in your pattern and it's late. I'll take a look in the morning and see if I can answer you.

sue

[suzeeq]

I said I'd get back to you on this when I had time to look at it all and figure it out....


The pattern is written is this way :

Next Row(RS): k32 and turn, leaving rem sts on a holder.
Work each side of neck separtely......

First i have to knit shape armholes and afuet the sahpe back neck i know how to do them , what make me confused is the RS, i don t understand once i finished with the shape armholes , ending with RS facing for next row, will i begin the shape back neck with the RS? :??

Thank you and good night.

Yes, that's what it looks like.

sue

[Fleurs]

Thank you Sue!!!

[Fleurs]

Hi there, i m done with the back opf my sweater and now i m knitting the front...in the pattern is said:

Dec 1 st at neck edge of 2nd and foll 2 alt rows, then on 6 foll 4th rows,then on 1 foll 6th row and at the same time inc 1 st at side seam edge of 2nd and 2 foll 6th rows.

my question is at the same time:

-will i increase after the1 foll 6 th row, that means at the 8th row and 2 foll 6th row means: 14 and 20 rows. or

- i have to increase at the 2nd row while knitting the 1 foll 6th row..in this this case the 2 foll 6th row will be:8 and 12 row

[suzeeq]

`At the same time' means that while you're making decs at the neck edge, you'll also be making the incs on the side seam edge.

Break it down and write it out in 2 separate columns:

Neck edge -

Dec at neck edge of 2nd, 4th, and 6th rows; then on the 10th, 14th, 18th , 22nd, 26th, 3oth rows; then once more on the 36th row.

Seam edge -

inc 1 st at side seam edge of 2nd. 8th and 14th rows.

Just go slowly and keep track of the rows on each side.

sue

[Fleurs]

Thank you so much Sue :cheering: